Comments on: sex trade workers and free will http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/ making lives better, making better lives Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:48:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: serena http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-499517 serena Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:04:11 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-499517 ooops sorry about the errors above, hit submit before fixing them. ooops sorry about the errors above, hit submit before fixing them.

]]> By: serena http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-499513 serena Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:02:18 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-499513 quote: These women have never dreamed of going into this kind of work but they don’t have a choice. It’s bad enough that they are forced to go into this kind of “living”, people discriminating them makes it even worse. :unquote I'm sorry Karen but I have to disagree ith you. Everyone hs choices no matter who they are or where they are. (Unless extreme cases like taken into slavery etc which I know has and does happen around the world) Everyone who uses drugs has the choice of taking up that habit thn doing what they choose to do to keep it going. The Sex Worker Industry is a lot different to what it used to be but even in the olden days women had choices to be or not be one. But it doesn't realy matter whether they have a choice as such, what the important thing is that the Sex Industry is just a business like any other Business and in places where it is legalised or places where it is not, most women will treat it professionally and like a business. There re the rogue one;s out there to do and get whatever they want but you get that in any business. The thing behind this is not to see it as a isolated issue because theyare sex workers, it's to get past your interpretation and thoughts on what a sex worker is. They are just like you and me, no more, no less. And nowadasy most of them and more are coming are wanting to go into this Industry because of the ease of making a fantastic income and setting themselves up for the future. I had an email from soeone in england the other day, 18 years old and coming o Australia wanting to go into the Industry because you make good money. Promiscuity and unsafe sex is more prevalent in our teenages out there than in the Sex Industry. And I am talking about most Industry's obviously not what some are like in say third world countries where it can be different also. Better get off my couch.. LOL quote: These women have never dreamed of going into this kind of work but they don’t have a choice. It’s bad enough that they are forced to go into this kind of “living”, people discriminating them makes it even worse.
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I’m sorry Karen but I have to disagree ith you. Everyone hs choices no matter who they are or where they are. (Unless extreme cases like taken into slavery etc which I know has and does happen around the world)
Everyone who uses drugs has the choice of taking up that habit thn doing what they choose to do to keep it going.

The Sex Worker Industry is a lot different to what it used to be but even in the olden days women had choices to be or not be one.

But it doesn’t realy matter whether they have a choice as such, what the important thing is that the Sex Industry is just a business like any other Business and in places where it is legalised or places where it is not, most women will treat it professionally and like a business. There re the rogue one;s out there to do and get whatever they want but you get that in any business.

The thing behind this is not to see it as a isolated issue because theyare sex workers, it’s to get past your interpretation and thoughts on what a sex worker is.
They are just like you and me, no more, no less.

And nowadasy most of them and more are coming are wanting to go into this Industry because of the ease of making a fantastic income and setting themselves up for the future.
I had an email from soeone in england the other day, 18 years old and coming o Australia wanting to go into the Industry because you make good money.

Promiscuity and unsafe sex is more prevalent in our teenages out there than in the Sex Industry. And I am talking about most Industry’s obviously not what some are like in say third world countries where it can be different also.

Better get off my couch.. LOL

]]> By: Karen http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-499487 Karen Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:43:47 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-499487 These women have never dreamed of going into this kind of work but they don't have a choice. It's bad enough that they are forced to go into this kind of "living", people discriminating them makes it even worse. These women have never dreamed of going into this kind of work but they don’t have a choice. It’s bad enough that they are forced to go into this kind of “living”, people discriminating them makes it even worse.

]]> By: Robert Gagnon http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-497989 Robert Gagnon Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:57:28 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-497989 I doubt very much that a politician so closely identified with the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution was ever given the misbegotten title of "father of democracy". I suggest, Isabelle, that you check out ===> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilien_Robespierre if you <em>Robert Gagnon's last blog post..<a href='http://robertg69.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/li-river-bridge/'>Li River & bridge</a></em> I doubt very much that a politician so closely identified with the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution was ever given the misbegotten title of “father of democracy”. I suggest, Isabelle, that you check out ===> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilien_Robespierre if you

Robert Gagnon’s last blog post..Li River & bridge

]]> By: N. Kateus http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-405751 N. Kateus Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:36:52 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-405751 Absolutely. As in any other area of life where one makes a choice, e.g., marry or stay single, vocation, avocations, clothing, foods, sexual orientation: only one person has the right to make the choice. Every human has the right to be treated like a human until the point they prove by their actions and behavior that they are not "human" any longer as, for instance, the serial murderer did. Absolutely. As in any other area of life where one makes a choice, e.g., marry or stay single, vocation, avocations, clothing, foods, sexual orientation: only one person has the right to make the choice. Every human has the right to be treated like a human until the point they prove by their actions and behavior that they are not “human” any longer as, for instance, the serial murderer did.

]]> By: isabella mori http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-405589 isabella mori Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:09:52 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-405589 thanks, n. kateus. that attitude is so important. i think it was robespierre who said, "i may completely disagree with you but i'll defend with my life to express your opinion." he was one of the fathers of modern democracy. what you're saying is similar, no? "i may disagree with your choice of occupation but i'm ready to defend your right to be treated like a human". thanks, n. kateus. that attitude is so important. i think it was robespierre who said, “i may completely disagree with you but i’ll defend with my life to express your opinion.” he was one of the fathers of modern democracy. what you’re saying is similar, no? “i may disagree with your choice of occupation but i’m ready to defend your right to be treated like a human”.

]]> By: N. Kateus http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-405528 N. Kateus Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:27:40 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-405528 While I personally don't agree that prostitution is a wise or good choice for any man or woman to practice, I will strongly assert that there is absolutely no excuse or rational, valid reason for the murders of these women to be considered anything but what they were, unspeakably horrible and demented, extremely tragic. The blame lies with the individual who killed them. Period. Not in the most remote way could such savage and inhuman behavior be passed off or minimized by claiming that the victims were in any way responsible for that "man" to do what he did. The behavior and actions were inhuman. No one would give second thought to destroying a four-legged animal should one do such a thing; why, then would anyone want to make excuses for a supposedly "higher" animal and blame the victim suffering the terrible death? While I personally don’t agree that prostitution is a wise or good choice for any man or woman to practice, I will strongly assert that there is absolutely no excuse or rational, valid reason for the murders of these women to be considered anything but what they were, unspeakably horrible and demented, extremely tragic. The blame lies with the individual who killed them. Period. Not in the most remote way could such savage and inhuman behavior be passed off or minimized by claiming that the victims were in any way responsible for that “man” to do what he did. The behavior and actions were inhuman. No one would give second thought to destroying a four-legged animal should one do such a thing; why, then would anyone want to make excuses for a supposedly “higher” animal and blame the victim suffering the terrible death?

]]> By: isabella mori http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-397012 isabella mori Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:50:00 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-397012 thanks for all your comments. i agree that sex work should be fully legitimized. it seems to be working in europe. thanks for all your comments. i agree that sex work should be fully legitimized. it seems to be working in europe.

]]> By: serena - australia http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-395932 serena - australia Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:22:33 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-395932 I work with a lot of sex workers in Australia and have been on the other side of the fence as we call it over here. First thing I must say is you do not judge anybody for whatever job or thing they do in life. You may be able to understand why some people choose their choices and even though society deems this trade to be "a bad choice" or a terrible place to be, it isn't and hasn't been. All women choose this profession for whatever reason and nowadays these women could be your neighbours, your sister, your friend, even your mother and most fo you wouldn't know about it. But you befriend these ladies because you like them, but have no idea sometimes of their secret life, which is how most girls do it over here in Australia. Some states are legalized and make it harder for brothels to operate and privates to be more available. Our state in WA isn't decriminalised yet and if it does go that way, then I hope only women can run brothels etc. They keep talking about it but its only when politics is in season. I don't know if girls will come out in the public eye even if they do as society is prejudiced and conditioned to think one way and would not change their views. If they got involved in the Industry and saw and felt what it was like they would be amazed at how someone can do this service because it is not easy dealing with the people you deal with. Yes there are women in this Industry because they are hooked on drugs, but I have given workshops with information to try and help them if they want help to see what is out there to give them help if they choose to get off drugs. If your on drugs thought, your thinking is not the same as others who aren't and you cant even if you want to sometimes be able to get off them. Like trying to give up smoking a bit. How easy is that to do I say to all smokers. I have heard of 3 rapes in the last couple of months and because of the stigma of being a prostitue, no-one went to the vice squad who is supposed to be here for them for fear of their names getting in to the papers. We have had a death of a working girl a while ago, but nothing like what you ahve reported here. One thing only need to be said here for those who think they deserved to die: he who is without sin - cast the first stone. Look back into your past and check out the skeletons in the closet. Are you that pure that you can pass that judgement that they aren't worthy? Very sad I must say to be so prejudice, but then i can only feel sorry as those people made the choice to be prejudiced on others and conditioned to think that way, and therefor do not have the xcope to be able to get outside the box. I work with a lot of sex workers in Australia and have been on the other side of the fence as we call it over here.

First thing I must say is you do not judge anybody for whatever job or thing they do in life. You may be able to understand why some people choose their choices and even though society deems this trade to be “a bad choice” or a terrible place to be, it isn’t and hasn’t been.

All women choose this profession for whatever reason and nowadays these women could be your neighbours, your sister, your friend, even your mother and most fo you wouldn’t know about it. But you befriend these ladies because you like them, but have no idea sometimes of their secret life, which is how most girls do it over here in Australia.

Some states are legalized and make it harder for brothels to operate and privates to be more available.
Our state in WA isn’t decriminalised yet and if it does go that way, then I hope only women can run brothels etc. They keep talking about it but its only when politics is in season.

I don’t know if girls will come out in the public eye even if they do as society is prejudiced and conditioned to think one way and would not change their views. If they got involved in the Industry and saw and felt what it was like they would be amazed at how someone can do this service because it is not easy dealing with the people you deal with.

Yes there are women in this Industry because they are hooked on drugs, but I have given workshops with information to try and help them if they want help to see what is out there to give them help if they choose to get off drugs.

If your on drugs thought, your thinking is not the same as others who aren’t and you cant even if you want to sometimes be able to get off them. Like trying to give up smoking a bit. How easy is that to do I say to all smokers.

I have heard of 3 rapes in the last couple of months and because of the stigma of being a prostitue, no-one went to the vice squad who is supposed to be here for them for fear of their names getting in to the papers.

We have had a death of a working girl a while ago, but nothing like what you ahve reported here. One thing only need to be said here for those who think they deserved to die: he who is without sin – cast the first stone. Look back into your past and check out the skeletons in the closet. Are you that pure that you can pass that judgement that they aren’t worthy?
Very sad I must say to be so prejudice, but then i can only feel sorry as those people made the choice to be prejudiced on others and conditioned to think that way, and therefor do not have the xcope to be able to get outside the box.

]]> By: pr http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-157372 pr Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:55:56 +0000 http://www.moritherapy.org/article/sex-trade-workers-and-free-will/#comment-157372 "death by strangulation is an occupational hazard"? seems like some kind of justification. Richard Littlejohn ought to be strangled to death, and see how he likes it. It is not rich women who choose this profession but poor ones facing homelessness, starvation and few options for survival. The patriarchal, woman hating cruel indifference in littlejohn's article say more about him, than i could. He lacks compassion, empathy or willingness to understand the economic realities of capitalism especially as it intesects with patriarchy. If littlejohn was strangled, then its possible to say that there is no great loss. The guy flipping burgers at McDonald's isn't discovering a cure for cancer either, but he doesn't deserve to die does he? Sex work should be legal for the protection of women. Just as a miner who works in a dangerous mine shaft requires protective equipment, so do sex workers. It is a form a labor - that happens to be sexual. There should be no tolerance for judgemental sexists who dehumanize women, that are already victims of both poverty and patriarchy. “death by strangulation is an occupational hazard”? seems like some kind of justification. Richard Littlejohn ought to be strangled to death, and see how he likes it. It is not rich women who choose this profession but poor ones facing homelessness, starvation and few options for survival. The patriarchal, woman hating cruel indifference in littlejohn’s article say more about him, than i could. He lacks compassion, empathy or willingness to understand the economic realities of capitalism especially as it intesects with patriarchy. If littlejohn was strangled, then its possible to say that there is no great loss. The guy flipping burgers at McDonald’s isn’t discovering a cure for cancer either, but he doesn’t deserve to die does he?

Sex work should be legal for the protection of women. Just as a miner who works in a dangerous mine shaft requires protective equipment, so do sex workers. It is a form a labor – that happens to be sexual. There should be no tolerance for judgemental sexists who dehumanize women, that are already victims of both poverty and patriarchy.

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