Comments on: hungry, thirsty, confused – and dead

By: isabella mori

isabella mori — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:06:57 +0000

thanks for the info, bogumil.

chance, thank you so much for your reply. everyone can get a bit out of hand in the throes of emotion, that’s only human. and for many people, getting angry over such a tragedy is probably born out of compassion. thank you for looking at this again in a gentler light, chance.

By: Bogumil Pacak-Gamalski

Bogumil Pacak-Gamalski — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:36:04 +0000

Thank you all very much for you support or different points of view. To have a public discours on this sad and important issue is the best way to handle it.
So far, due to the public outcry and pressure, the Governments have agrred to: federal level – 3 internal inquirries and an official words of sympathy to Mrs Cisowska (mother of R. Dziekanski) and to Polish government,
provincial level: New Fundland place a full moratorium on the use of Taser guns by its Police force, BC has announced forming a full Public Inquiry into this matter and offer an offcial apology to Mrs. Cisowska. Thank you all and I wish you all the best, Bogumil Pacak-Gamalski

By: chance

chance — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:54:01 +0000

I like your style Isabella. I was hoping to have gotten a response from Seth but I think reading what you wrote was more gradifying. When I reread my comment I can barely see through the bitterness of it. Maybe Seth is one of the good cops who I’ve never had the good fortune to meet. I’m not usually so bitter, but when I saw that video I got so angry. The guy is dead. He should be in Kamloops but he’s dead. I guess all I wanted was for Seth to realize that people aren’t out to get the police. People and criminals in particular go out there way to avoid cops in Canada, I don’t think that is right. Being a cop truly isn’t dangerous relatively speaking, but it will continue to become more dangerous if police keep making enemies. Be peace officers, don’t use fear as a way to control the public. Listen to the public, and if they don’t speak English… Find a translator.

By: isabella mori

isabella mori — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:18:12 +0000

hey albertarocks -

i’m sorry you didn’t notice that i agreed with you on more than one issue – or maybe you noticed it but you didn’t act like it.

i don’t have the slightest problem with people reacting passionately and expressing their opinion, however far out. but i don’t like disrespect.

this is what you said to kay p: “you are nothing more than the typical moron who listens to the media too much.”

calling someone a moron is namecalling. telling someone that they’re not welcome in canada (as you also did) is perhaps not namecalling but extremely impolite, to put it mildly. telling someone that you don’t believe what they say they are is disrespectful.

now it so happens that i don’t agree with kay p’s stance. yours is much closer to how i think on the matter. but that doesn’t mean that i have to act disrespectfully.

asking people to be civilized and to respect each other is not censoring. it’s setting a standard.

By: Albertarocks

Albertarocks — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:32:26 +0000

I’ve not said any swear words on this blogsite, nor any insults, other than towards cowardly police. So Isabella, your idea of censorship is truly twisted. If you want to keep intelligent people posting on your blogsite, get intelligent yourself. OK? OK? Jesus Christ, who do you think you are to try to keep intelligent people like myself from speaking from the heart?

If you put up a post as dynamic as this one, expect some ruffled feathers. Jesus, you ticked me off. And NO, I don’t care to ever post on any of your further topics. I will not be censored, especially when I don’t swear.

By: Albertarocks

Albertarocks — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:06:21 +0000

Ok Isabella. You’ll never hear from me again on any of your topics. I’m not going to back off one inch from my stance about this one though. Don’t single me out. Or go ahead and single me out, I could give a damn. But about this topic, I will not back up one inch.

If I came across as angry or frustrated…… good. It’s been nice knowing you.

By: isabella mori

isabella mori — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:14:12 +0000

ok, you guys are all making interesting points, and i’m going to leave this here for now.

in a few days i’m going to have a new theme up here and then i’ll make it ABUNDANTLY clear what happens to comments that are impolite.

albertarocks, i hear your frustration and i think i know exactly what you mean by cops who have balls. i’ve been around the block a few times myself, lived in a few different countries and most of all have worked among people where a situation like the one we’re talking about happens at least once a week. i KNOW there are many ways of dealing with these situations and none of them involves a taser, a gun, or even a stick.

however, please, and that goes for everyone here (don’t mean to single you out for this one, albertarocks):

no name calling. i mean it.

i’ll say it again: it’s all about RESPECT.

if you want respect, for yourself or someone else, show respect. be a man. walk your talk.

By: Albertarocks

Albertarocks — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:22:54 +0000

And I’ll tell you something else Seth. That big RCMP officer who walked me home back in 1955 or so, didn’t touch me. He didn’t touch my hand, or my shoulder… nothing. He just walked me home, walking beside me. He waited to see that I got into my home safely, all while he was off duty. He didn’t need to do that. But he just did it out of honour. That’s a man of honor. Just like my father was. Those were good men.

How honorable is that? VERY HONORABLE!

If any of those RCMP officers from back in 1958 or so, had ever seen a man who was distressed and sweating like poor Mr. Dziekansi, they certainly would not have shot the guy. They figure out how to rush into his world and take him down. I’m old enough to have seen the RCMP work fast, effectivly, and with no harm to the combatant. Those were the the pro’s. Shoot a person? No freakin’ way.

No reason to taser a person. There will never be any reason in this world to taser a person unless he’s pointing a loaded gun at someone. Period! If you think you should taser him when he’s not brandishing a weapon… that just tells me that you’re a coward. If he’s not brandishing a weapon, wade into the fight. Grow some balls.

Neither the cops, nor my father would have ever shot that man with a gun, nor with a taser toy. The RCMP in those days of honor, or even my own father would have just have taken that guy down to the ground and tied him up. But shoot him with something? Jesus Christ where does that justification come from?

So I don’t want to hear about you trying to justify your taser toys, when your balls are the size of raisins. OK?

By: chance

chance — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:11:55 +0000

For seth the cop I’d like to say that your comment,”have a little respect for those that put their life on the line for you each day”, is sadly self rightous. I usually never wright in these blog chats, but your comment makes me sick. If you really are a cop then you know better than anyone that working for the RCMP is one of the safest jobs in Canada. If your looking for danger, fish, mine or log.
But no, all you want is peoples respect, isn’t that right hero. Your a fucking hypocrite if you claim to serve and protect and at the same time defend the actions of thoughs four pigs in Van. Police have to earn my respect, just like anyone else. And thoughs currupt fucking pigs should have to serve thier time, like anyone else.

By: Albertarocks

Albertarocks — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:57:26 +0000

And further, in the past, RCMP officers who I were so kind to me when I was 6 years old, weren’t afraid of ‘combative’ people. RCMP didn’t kill them back in those days. RCMP officers used their skills and took tough guys to the ground and handcuffed them. Plain and simple.

50 years ago, I even went to an RCMP detachment in Southern Alberta when I was about 6 just to talk with the cops. I actually saw an officer empty his gun, a six shooter, and he emptied his cylinder of bullets onto the counter and turned them in to his comander. He was off duty, and then he walked with me for a few blocks as I went home. He was a great big guy, and a good guy. Those were the good RCMP guys.

But the behaviour of these officers, and obviously you condone it, was to kill the man rather than to suffer the possibility of taking a punch. Come on, Seth, where are your balls? If you don’t have the balls to get into a street fight, why are you a cop? Just to have the pleasure of shooting someone, or to do an honourable job? No wonder firemen are loved, while cops are not. Believe me, if you’d ever met an RCMP officer from 1960 or so, you’d kneel before him, or he’d make you kneel before him.

Please get your priorities in line. Your job is not to kill people, but to capture them when (and only when), they are out of line. Your job is not to kill people.

Yes, I’m pissed off, and I’m getting only more pissed off at reading shit from people like you who try to justify police murders.