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	<title>Comments on: carnival of eating disorders #23 &#8211; part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Laura Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.moritherapy.org/article/carnival-of-eating-disorders-23-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-628320</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suffering is suffering and deserves care and support - no question.

But I cannot imagine a scenario where an emotional state or cognitive experience DIDN&#039;T have a correlate in the brain!

The issue with mental illness is, to me, that there are some conditions that are exponentially more difficult than our normal experiences and we try to treat them as if they are just extensions of normal. The same tools used for simple sadness isn&#039;t appropriate in depression, and standard psychotherapy isn&#039;t usually strong enough for an eating disorder. I think we do well to respect the profound brain experience of mental illness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suffering is suffering and deserves care and support &#8211; no question.</p>
<p>But I cannot imagine a scenario where an emotional state or cognitive experience DIDN&#8217;T have a correlate in the brain!</p>
<p>The issue with mental illness is, to me, that there are some conditions that are exponentially more difficult than our normal experiences and we try to treat them as if they are just extensions of normal. The same tools used for simple sadness isn&#8217;t appropriate in depression, and standard psychotherapy isn&#8217;t usually strong enough for an eating disorder. I think we do well to respect the profound brain experience of mental illness.</p>
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		<title>By: isabella mori</title>
		<link>http://www.moritherapy.org/article/carnival-of-eating-disorders-23-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-628316</link>
		<dc:creator>isabella mori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laura, this is always an interesting question, almost one of philosophy as much as science (it&#039;s the whole mind-body thing, in the end).  someone like daniel dennett comes to mind.

i&#039;d be interested in hearing what you mean by &quot;real&quot;.  if it turned out that someone who, say, suffers from constant sadness, or someone who eats way too much didn&#039;t have a correlate of that in the brain, would the suffering be less real, less serious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laura, this is always an interesting question, almost one of philosophy as much as science (it&#8217;s the whole mind-body thing, in the end).  someone like daniel dennett comes to mind.</p>
<p>i&#8217;d be interested in hearing what you mean by &#8220;real&#8221;.  if it turned out that someone who, say, suffers from constant sadness, or someone who eats way too much didn&#8217;t have a correlate of that in the brain, would the suffering be less real, less serious?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.moritherapy.org/article/carnival-of-eating-disorders-23-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-628292</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the real question is whether eating disorders (and depression and bipolar and schizophrenia and anxiety disorder) are BRAIN DISORDERS. 

I believe they are. That doesn&#039;t mean a pill is the treatment - we don&#039;t have a pill for them. But it does recognize that the patient is dealing with a real and very serious problem that will require excellent clinical and practical assistance to overcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the real question is whether eating disorders (and depression and bipolar and schizophrenia and anxiety disorder) are BRAIN DISORDERS. </p>
<p>I believe they are. That doesn&#8217;t mean a pill is the treatment &#8211; we don&#8217;t have a pill for them. But it does recognize that the patient is dealing with a real and very serious problem that will require excellent clinical and practical assistance to overcome.</p>
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		<title>By: isabella mori</title>
		<link>http://www.moritherapy.org/article/carnival-of-eating-disorders-23-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-627059</link>
		<dc:creator>isabella mori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CC i&#039;m so sorry, i had misplaced your submission.  it will be in the next one for sure!  

@evan is politics a mental illness?  good question!  i know what you mean about the trivial advice.  (&quot;you should try st. john&#039;s wort!  it helped aunt hilda when her cat died!&quot;)  (not to minimize aunt hilda&#039;s grief but you know what i mean ...).  and i, too, feel a bit strange about the word &quot;mental illness&quot;.  however, i have to say that i have become more comfortable with it over the years.  a cold is an illness.  why not a bout with mania?

@anna nice to meet you here, and thanks for the comment!  &quot;everything in moderation&quot; is, of course, just the thing that painfully eludes a person with an eating disorder ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CC i&#8217;m so sorry, i had misplaced your submission.  it will be in the next one for sure!  </p>
<p>@evan is politics a mental illness?  good question!  i know what you mean about the trivial advice.  (&#8220;you should try st. john&#8217;s wort!  it helped aunt hilda when her cat died!&#8221;)  (not to minimize aunt hilda&#8217;s grief but you know what i mean &#8230;).  and i, too, feel a bit strange about the word &#8220;mental illness&#8221;.  however, i have to say that i have become more comfortable with it over the years.  a cold is an illness.  why not a bout with mania?</p>
<p>@anna nice to meet you here, and thanks for the comment!  &#8220;everything in moderation&#8221; is, of course, just the thing that painfully eludes a person with an eating disorder &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ClinicallyClueless</title>
		<link>http://www.moritherapy.org/article/carnival-of-eating-disorders-23-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-627022</link>
		<dc:creator>ClinicallyClueless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that you were going to use one of my submissions for this month?

&lt;em&gt;ClinicallyClueless&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ClinicallyClueless/~3/504339931/putting-myself-out-thererisk.html&#039;&gt;Putting Myself Out There=Risk!!!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that you were going to use one of my submissions for this month?</p>
<p><em>ClinicallyClueless&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ClinicallyClueless/~3/504339931/putting-myself-out-thererisk.html'>Putting Myself Out There=Risk!!!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Anna Betrieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Betrieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really informative post - fantastic information, which is really relevant to the issues of today. I have a friend who is very overweight and one friend is far too thin. I do find it very hard to cope with being their friend! - all we ever seem to talk about is food!! I do try my best to support them, but it´s hard, when all I want to do is go and have a cup of coffee and a cake with them.. then the conversation moves onto &quot;full fat milk&quot; and &quot;cream&quot; and... euch! Everything in moderation - everyone has to learn...exercise and drinking plenty of water means you can have a little bit of what you fancy every now and then!

Anna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really informative post &#8211; fantastic information, which is really relevant to the issues of today. I have a friend who is very overweight and one friend is far too thin. I do find it very hard to cope with being their friend! &#8211; all we ever seem to talk about is food!! I do try my best to support them, but it´s hard, when all I want to do is go and have a cup of coffee and a cake with them.. then the conversation moves onto &#8220;full fat milk&#8221; and &#8220;cream&#8221; and&#8230; euch! Everything in moderation &#8211; everyone has to learn&#8230;exercise and drinking plenty of water means you can have a little bit of what you fancy every now and then!</p>
<p>Anna</p>
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		<title>By: Lola Snow</title>
		<link>http://www.moritherapy.org/article/carnival-of-eating-disorders-23-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-627009</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always a great selection of reading! Hopefully I will remember to submit something next month :) Turkey related amnesia I wonder?

Lola x

&lt;em&gt;Lola Snow&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://operationlola.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/does-every-bpd-need-therapy/&#039;&gt;Does every BPD need Therapy?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always a great selection of reading! Hopefully I will remember to submit something next month <img src='http://moritherapy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Turkey related amnesia I wonder?</p>
<p>Lola x</p>
<p><em>Lola Snow&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://operationlola.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/does-every-bpd-need-therapy/'>Does every BPD need Therapy?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tricky question.  Is politics a mental illness? - it seems to not deal with the real world (global warming and so forth).

I guess I think mental illness is often trivialised - try out telling someone you&#039;re depressed and experience the barrage of trivial advice.

I guess I see eating disorders as a mental illness in the sense of other behaviours that cause us harm.  I&#039;m uncomfortable with the term &#039;illness&#039; though - it can lead to the idea of taking a pill for it rather than learning to enjoy our physicality and beauty.

&lt;em&gt;Evan&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Wellbeingandhealthnet/~3/502957964/&#039;&gt;Wellbeing from Mindlessness (in defence of categories and habits)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tricky question.  Is politics a mental illness? &#8211; it seems to not deal with the real world (global warming and so forth).</p>
<p>I guess I think mental illness is often trivialised &#8211; try out telling someone you&#8217;re depressed and experience the barrage of trivial advice.</p>
<p>I guess I see eating disorders as a mental illness in the sense of other behaviours that cause us harm.  I&#8217;m uncomfortable with the term &#8216;illness&#8217; though &#8211; it can lead to the idea of taking a pill for it rather than learning to enjoy our physicality and beauty.</p>
<p><em>Evan&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Wellbeingandhealthnet/~3/502957964/'>Wellbeing from Mindlessness (in defence of categories and habits)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Chris &#124; Martial Development</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris &#124; Martial Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering illness as dis-ease...a 50% affliction rate is quite the conservative estimate.  

Perhaps &quot;mental illness&quot; is a term of art for industry professionals, but from where I sit (in ignorance) the description is fairly applied to eating disorders.  After all, if you remove the patient&#039;s brain, their eating disorder promptly disappears.

&lt;em&gt;Chris &#124; Martial Development&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-learn-zhan-zhuang-from-a-book/&#039;&gt;How to Learn Zhan Zhuang From a Book&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering illness as dis-ease&#8230;a 50% affliction rate is quite the conservative estimate.  </p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;mental illness&#8221; is a term of art for industry professionals, but from where I sit (in ignorance) the description is fairly applied to eating disorders.  After all, if you remove the patient&#8217;s brain, their eating disorder promptly disappears.</p>
<p><em>Chris | Martial Development&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-learn-zhan-zhuang-from-a-book/'>How to Learn Zhan Zhuang From a Book</a></em></p>
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