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“The longing for permanence” I meant was the fear of the freedom not lasting.

Talking about the goal and pleasure leads us into all manner of interesting discussions about values I think. Is an addict with enough money a model of psychological health? What is the criterion of value? (For me life is a value laden process – though there are dangers of the Nietzschean superman and social darwinism I know.)

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btw what i said about root causes – that was just a question; i’m not sure that as a blank statement, that would be true for everyone.

is pleasure the goal? ah, that’s an interesting question. for all intents and purposes, in most cases it probably is. however, i would say that the goal is movement, the opposite of stagnation.

which longing for permanence are you talking about? the one implied in the fear of ego death? no matter – a longing for permanence is always worth exploring, otherwise my buddhist leanings wouldn’t make much sense, would they?

yeah, lots to explore here. maybe worth another blog post, to add to the dozen or so i have standing in line

I agree with what you say about root causes.

My concern is with wholism. I suppose in philosophical terms I prefer eudaemonism to hedonism. A lot of therapy seems to value hedonism (from Freud’s pleasure principle on).

If pleasure is the goal: it’s easy – take drugs. Much of (the pharmaceutical variety of) psychiatry seems to operate on this principle.

Would you be willing to explore your longing for permanence? Do you really wish to dismiss the ego? (I realise you may wish to – it gets a bad press in some kinds of Buddhism which you may endorse).

I’m with the solution focus – I think it’s great. I guess I’m questioning the relation of the spirituality and fear from this point of view. I think a Buddha is allowed to run away from trucks heading for them (though some would reply they are not fear driven, it’s a choice and so forth).

I think there is a lot in here to tease out. I hope I am making some kind of sense, I’m feeling my way with this one.

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evan, in solution focused practice, the fear would probably only be addressed if the client made it clear that she/he needed for it to happen. otherwise, the idea is to focus on the direction in which the client wants to move forward. the client’s goal does not seem to be “i want to get rid of my fear” but to connect deeply with the divine. solution focused practice is very action oriented.

are you perhaps saying that the fear needs to be looked at because it appears to be a root cause, and if the root cause is not dealt with, not much will come of counselling?

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It’s a nice piece of work.

I want to hear more from the fear I think. (How unusual for me to be contrarian – not!).

I hope you understand what I mean.

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